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  • [IMPORTANT] **Sign The Petition** - Keep Cell Phone Flashing / Unlocking Legal!




    Sign The Petition, Make Flashing and Unlocking Legal!

    You can make a difference!

    100,000+ Signatures Needed


    Febuary 23, 2013 is the deadline


    As of now (2 days) 25,000 signatures are here!


    Pass this on to any forums you frequent spread the word, tell as many people as you can!


    Read about the new law here... Page 16 - 21


    This is something that is going to effect every single one of us who do this for a living or a hobby! Although the chances of being caught are slim, it is still complete BS how they can try to govern this.


    This article was originally published in forum thread: [IMPORTANT] **Sign The Petition** started by saiyaneye View original post
    Comments 34 Comments
    1. NUNsLAUGHTER92's Avatar
      NUNsLAUGHTER92 -
      This has to do with GSM phones. We don't unlock phones on CDMA networks, we flash them. So, no illegal. I have signed it though because that's a pretty stupid law.

      "You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."
    1. saiyaneye's Avatar
      saiyaneye -
      Page 16 - 21 i beleive
      https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-insp...2012-26308.pdf

      It applies to flashing and unlocking from what I understand
    1. wiseoldman's Avatar
      wiseoldman -
      It makes it illegal for CDMA as well as GSM. The concept is the same. There is no reason why CDMA would get a pass on this. Had they made reference to GSM in their ruling then i would agree.
    1. wiseoldman's Avatar
      wiseoldman -

      BY DECREE OF THE LIBRARIAN OF CONGRESS
      IT SHALL HENCEFORCE BE ORDERED THAT AMERICANS SHALL NOT UNLOCK THEIR OWN SMARTPHONES.
      PENALTY: In some situations, first time offenders may be fined up to $500,000, imprisoned for five years, or both. For repeat offenders, the maximum penalty increases to a fine of $1,000,000, imprisonment for up to ten years, or both.*


      Edit: this smells like the music download/DMCA/napster thing all over again.
    1. oriax123's Avatar
      oriax123 -
      Signed, lets see what happens
    1. saiyaneye's Avatar
      saiyaneye -
      Can someone make this global or an announcement on the forums? So everyone can see it and hopefully sign it.

      Every vote counts.

      Feb 23rd is the deadline

      25k votes in 2-3 days is amazing if the goal is 100k.
    1. Chris Rodriguez's Avatar
      Chris Rodriguez -
      ^ Done. Thanks for the post. I'll put this on our Facebook page and run a video as well.
    1. pauljulian's Avatar
      pauljulian -
      Signed and tweeted... (closed out my FB account, and don't intend to ever reactivate it)
    1. SunBee's Avatar
      SunBee -
      I just caught wind of this on reddit, some post about canada making cell phone unlocking mandatory in the same week the US outlaws it. This is quite a blow to everything I had planned.
    1. daspazz's Avatar
      daspazz -
      The new law (which is supposed to be made by Congress, Not some moron that works for the library of same) is basically bullsquash. If you paid for a phone and own that phone you should be able to do with it as you please, including smashing it with a freakin hammer!!!

      I also sign this petition!!!

      Russell Evans Carver
      Conroe Texas
    1. Chris Rodriguez's Avatar
      Chris Rodriguez -
      Quote Originally Posted by daspazz View Post
      The new law (which is supposed to be made by Congress, Not some moron that works for the library of same) is basically bullsquash. If you paid for a phone and own that phone you should be able to do with it as you please, including smashing it with a freakin hammer!!!

      I also sign this petition!!!

      Russell Evans Carver
      Conroe Texas
      You're allowed to smash it with a hammer.... Just not move it to another carrier...

      Yeah that seems strange. Thanks for putting it in perspective.
    1. wiseoldman's Avatar
      wiseoldman -
      I'm waiting to read a story about the first person who tried to activate a post Jan 28, 2013 unlocked phone from a different carrier. I wonder if any carrier will ask who unlocked it or if their system will deny it.

      The ruling didnt say it was illegal for a carrier to activate another carriers unlocked phone. Not did it say it was their job to police it. But that wont stop DMCA from suing carriers over the matter.
    1. saiyaneye's Avatar
      saiyaneye -
      From what I understood from reading, that modifying the phones "software or firmware" is what they say we are doing. And we are not allowed to do that. Also, we are not allowed to redistrbute the software on the phone as well. We dont own the software on the phone according to the Library of Congress. However, here's where it gets interesting Hello! Isn't Android covered under the GPL and Apache!? Free to edit and redistribute as we please, OPEN SOURCE right? Doesnt this law somewhat contridict GPL and Apache?

      I know that just covers Android, not Apple devices, RIM, Windows Mobile and others. I guess they could try to say that those devices could have their "software or firmware" edited, but how can they restrict Android OS. Just a thought.

      Sent from my UNLOCKED and ROOTED AT&T HTC Inspire
    1. wiseoldman's Avatar
      wiseoldman -
      yea, i think they claim they are leasing the OS to us during the contract period. Therefore they think they have a right to prevent unlocking during the contract. It would be an interesting legal argument to see if it was legal to replace the OS, unlock it then put it on a differnt carrier. And yes, open source adds a new element to the argument.
    1. proudmami's Avatar
      proudmami -
      SIGNED!!! I'm not much for flashing my phone but the way I see it... it's just some uptight a**hole trying to control everyone. If you buy the phone you should do what you please. The company still made money off of you. So whatever the big deal is.. is beyond me. So lets hope for this law/bill to be denied! We have many more laws and/or bills that need to be passed that are a million times more important than this one.
    1. roshboy76's Avatar
      roshboy76 -
      I think cell phone carriers loosening money. Because people gets the nice phone from any carriers and move to next. They make money by there phone services not by phone sale. It's their fault y there come out of new phones every 5 month's. I have s3 now they talking about S4. I want s4 when it comes out but I'm in contract. I support unlocking flashing phone!
    1. saiyaneye's Avatar
      saiyaneye -
      Quote Originally Posted by roshboy76 View Post
      I think cell phone carriers loosening money. Because people gets the nice phone from any carriers and move to next. They make money by there phone services not by phone sale. It's their fault y there come out of new phones every 5 month's. I have s3 now they talking about S4. I want s4 when it comes out but I'm in contract. I support unlocking flashing phone!
      It is the carriers fault in more than one reason.

      * High plans, people don't want to pay all $$ that and stick with them.

      * Their fault for offering a "free phone" with service

      Why offer the free phone if they are going to bitch about what is inevitably going to happen when people unlock it and sell it or stop paying their bill and give the phone a bad ESN? Obviously this is only a small percentage of people.

      Also, they can recoup the money, just people like me with bad credit aren't going to pay the bill. It goes on your credit report, although you are not required to pay it, it's still a bill, and a bad mark on your credit. Just like any other "service" or things you get on credit.

      I would never get a contract phone, they are crazy expensive for their plans. They offer the incentive for the "free phone" but charge almost double what some prepaid carriers charge for the SAME service.
    1. lestat60628's Avatar
      lestat60628 -
      Oh great, tried to sign the petition and it's not found via the link
    1. steewped's Avatar
      steewped -
      Link is working 43k of signatures Get everyone to do it. Your mom, your dad, aunts uncles, brothers and sisters. Whats next after this?

      ---------- Post added at 06:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:59 PM ----------

      If you run a store put a computer on the counter and have your customers sign it.
    1. daspazz's Avatar
      daspazz -
      Just because some moron moderator for the Library of Congress decided to "modify" the DMCA to now include "flashing" or "unlocking" of phones as illegal doesn't actually make it law. Congress and the Senate write laws and votes to have them passed on to the president so he can sign them into effect. That's not the case here!!!

      If I pay for a phone and I want to smash my POS with a freaking hammer I have the right to do that. Is that violating the DMCA? H-E- Double hockey sticks NO!!! So if I own that phone and decide to change carriers then I still have the right to flash that phone so I can use it on a BETTER service than the one that has been screwing me for the last 5 years.

      Nuff Said!

      Rusty Carver
      Conroe Tx!
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